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Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby blackbird60 on Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:57 am

Still deciding if it’s a good thing or a bad thing to mix Rum with trawling the Gumtree “For sale” pages on the interwebby-net. I’m tending to think it’s a good thing, The Speaker Of The House probably less so. While ensconced in a comfy armchair with a comfy Rum (or three) by my side, I chanced upon this ad while idly looking at things TS related ( https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/palmwoods/motorcycles/suzuki-ts-185-classic-1974-cafe-racer-motorbike/1156264208 ). As my liver got more pickled, the ad piqued my interest…had only been posted about 10 mins earlier. I thought to ring the gent, just out of interest, you understand, just to have a bit of a chat….After said chat had continued for a while, and I had just finished telling him about the little blue beast I have almost finished, he said words to the effect of “ Well, if you want it, you can have her for $200. Sounds like she’ll be going to a good home”. We chatted a bit longer before his offer penetrated my foggy brain, and I said “What did you just say? $200? SOLD!!”
Longer story shorter, I bought her home today, a 1974 TS185L. Wheels look pretty good, a lot of the other chromework is a bit pitted and ratty, and the chrome rear mudguard is rusty and cracked. Tank seems pretty good, just one small dent to bog up, and some flakey rust to try to remove from inside, but no obvious leaks. Seat base is very good, and it came with a new seat cover and a good used side cover. Checked for a spark, all good, then sprayed some Start Ya Bastard down it’s throat, and it fired first kick. It’ll be a while before I can start on it, but I’m already getting itchy to start pulling it apart......
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby kbzx6r on Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:05 pm

HA HA HA HA - Priceless - Been There Done That . As I rule, I really try to avoid shopping after having a few, but you know what happens to rules after having a few. Anyhow, it looks like you got an awesome deal! Good Job!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby Butcher on Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:47 am

Looks to be all there. I don't think the top of the tank is meant to be blue, but silver :)

I like the look of the '74 tank decal design.

Are you going to fully restore her or rebuild her as is (partial restore) with bit of a tidy up?

Well done. I paid $450 for my 185. The seller actually reduced from $500 without prompt for I believe a quick sale :)
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby kbzx6r on Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:13 am

That tank has the custom POM two-tone paint Butcher. It reduces wind resistance, adds horsepower, and increases the attractiveness of the bike and owner to female members of the species - plus it matches the side cover. It was popular back then, especially with the mullet crowd.

@ Blackbird60 - No disrespect to your bike intended. I would have bought it in a heartbeat. Now what are your plans for it?
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby Butcher on Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:38 am

Yes, yes it actually cools the fuel before going into the carb and birds can't see it to $hit on it, thus reducing wind resistance. Very popular those days ;)
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby blackbird60 on Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:45 am

Not sure yet what the plans are. Probably the same as the ER - strip to frame, paint frame, clean up all alloys, add bits and pieces to make it street legal (so basically back to original), but with cheaper knock off parts to keep the price down....so not really original. If the front mudguard doesn't clean up, I'll replace with a cheapy used high guard (haven't seen many like this one - did they bring them out with both styles of guard?). Don't know what to do about the rear guard yet - that might take some cogitation and alcohol inspiration. I thought I might have a go at rebuilding the wheels this time (after seeing the How To on the forum), 'cos the hubs are pretty grungy, and the spokes a bit corroded. When I can get started (probably about a month or so), I'll do the same as the ER. Overhaul carby, check oil delivery, then strap on a temporary fuel tank to test for proof of life - gearbox/clutch etc to make sure it's worth my time and effort (not to mention money) to do it up. I have clutch plates and decals for the ER now, so as soon as I can move the Blackbird off the lifter, I'll work on that one to finish it off. Still a few other little bits to do as well, (pull tacho apart again and try to work out a way of connecting the spindle to the needle (broken shaft), possibly a tiny little sleeve soldered on? Seat needs to be pulled apart again and modified (some of the fibreglass I built it up with is too thick, so sand that down, refit the cover better) and a few other minor bits.

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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby Butcher on Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:58 am

Chrome. Wire wool...



"gearbox/clutch etc to make sure it's worth my time and effort"

Bullet proof mate...




Keep us updated. Good luck with the gauges. Get some ER foot pegs as the rubber ones suck (put in a storage box for prosperity / originality). Fallen off far too many times to remember slippery wet rubber pegs.


You may even be lucky enough to find a minter and use this bike for parts ? the price you paid is sharp anyhow. You could easily sell the tank and seat and recover your outlay...


I'd love to see her running again! Lucky you.
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby kbzx6r on Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:11 pm

Here is a handy page that shows all TS185 models 71-81.
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None of them had low front fenders. The high fenders mounted with 4 x 6mm bolts to the bottom of the triple clamp. You can look for the threaded holes. The rear fender looks stock and maybe fixable. Both F & R fenders and side cover were all originally painted same color as tank. A good trick for cleaning rusty chrome is a balled-up wad of aluminum foil and Coca-Cola. It will not scratch the chrome at all. Regular steel wool even super-duper 0000 extra fine will leave some slightly visible scratches. I suggest first thing is to try getting the rust off the inner fork tubes before you do any test riding. That way at least you won't instantly trash the fork seals.
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby blackbird60 on Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:25 am

I was wondering about the low front fender. The other bolt holes are there for the high mount, but the low mount is bolted to existing holes on either side fork. I checked the ER, and that has the same mounting points on the forks. Must have been a a Dealer or factory option? Will try cleaning it up with your suggested method, because I quite like the look of the low one. Rear guard is pretty bad - flakey rust near mounting bolts and cracked through in a couple of places. Might be able to tack weld, cut out small rusty bits and "Lead Load" to repair? If I can remember how to do that - might have to read some very old trade school books again! The left fork is already weeping, so fork seal replacement is already on the cards. I would have pulled them down to clean anyway. Rust in the top of them is fairly deep pitting, so will have to clean up and rebuild with epoxy/superglue. We have a hard chroming business in Brisbane who specialise in forks, but I think it's pretty pricey. Thanks for the link to the models. Pity silver seems to be the only standard colour - not a big fan. Having said that, the rear guard especially, but possibly the front as well will have to be painted because of the state of the chroming.

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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby Butcher on Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:22 am

"Preston Petty"? Was that the name?


Actually plastic guards are ok. Fiberglas even better. Weight saving too.

Hey Mr. blackbird60 you actually inspired me to get my 185ER running today (damn flat). Ride tomorrow... Lots of mud and grit :)
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby blackbird60 on Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:49 am

I was in the shed with a mate today, and he said "is that petrol I can smell?" Had a bit of a look, and the ER has a very minor weep out of the fuel tank :( After all my efforts of cleaning, resealing and painting....F#@k!!!!! Must have been a speck of rust or shit caught in the seam, and it has moved with the vibrations? Anyway, it has dripped onto the RHS side panel, and made the paint blister and melted the lug that presses into the frame. Have rinsed with water, hope to be able to syringe some superglue behind the paint bubble and squeeze out...don't know how well it will work, but the paint skin is still intact. Now to find a serious drug addict, of the needle using variety. Have an old panel I can cut the lug off, and pin/screw it to the panel (small metal thread screw, minus the head, screwed and glued into both sides should work). Tank - maybe clean out the seam from outside, open it up slightly and fill with Liquid Steel epoxy, and/or reseal tank with Gold Standard (seems to be doing the job everywhere else, and shows up clean and smooth over the rest of the tank). BUGGER!!!

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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby kbzx6r on Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:09 pm

blackbird60 wrote:I was wondering about the low front fender. The other bolt holes are there for the high mount, but the low mount is bolted to existing holes on either side fork. I checked the ER, and that has the same mounting points on the forks. Must have been a a Dealer or factory option?


None of these 2nd generation TSs I ever saw (Suzuki dealership in the US) had low mount fenders but they are shown in some of the Suzuki literature. All had the lugs on the fork. Some models used one lug for the upper front brake torque arm bolt. Lower tubes were interchangeable R & L. Some people used the lugs to mount fork braces. Rather popular back in the day to reduce fork flex and improve handling. You low fender might add some rigidity but also adds unsprung weight.

blackbird60 wrote: Rear guard is pretty bad - flakey rust near mounting bolts and cracked through in a couple of places. Might be able to tack weld, cut out small rusty bits and "Lead Load" to repair? If I can remember how to do that - might have to read some very old trade school books again!


Weld repair should be possible. It might be hard to find a used one in decent condition.

blackbird60 wrote:The left fork is already weeping, so fork seal replacement is already on the cards. I would have pulled them down to clean anyway. Rust in the top of them is fairly deep pitting, so will have to clean up and rebuild with epoxy/superglue.


The compressed travel isn't all the way to the lower triple clamp. You can see how much the travel is once you get the forks apart. Really only have to worry about filling the pits that the seal crosses. After you get rid of all the rust from the pits (suggest Coke or Naval Jelly) apply some Extend Rust Neutralizer before the epoxy.

blackbird60 wrote:Pity silver seems to be the only standard colour - not a big fan. Having said that, the rear guard especially, but possibly the front as well will have to be painted because of the state of the chroming.


I'm pretty sure silver was the only factory color for 74 TS185. Replacement decal sets are available for most years. Maybe go with decals from another model year with colors you like better? Or just pick a color that would look decent with the 74 decals - like maybe a much darker silver - or yellow like the TMs - or a real dark metallic blue - or darker orange like the 75?
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby kbzx6r on Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:17 pm

Not a bad price for a decal set for your bike.
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I wish I would have bought mine from these folks. Damn.
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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby blackbird60 on Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:41 pm

Thanks for that link for the decals. Hopefully they post to AU. Lots of US companies don't, and many that do charge postage higher than from Outer Mongolia to here. I got the decals for the ER from Diablocycles (Canada), best price I could find. I got ones for a 1980, which were cheaper, and I like the look of more. Bloody glad I didn't put them on before I found the leak in the tank. I like the idea of yellow (easier to find when I'm lost in the bush!!), but would have to find decals to suit, and rear guard if/when repaired would have to be painted rather than chromed as well.

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Re: Rum 'n' Gumtree

New postby Butcher on Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:19 am

"You low fender might add some rigidity but also adds unsprung weight."

No it wont! Both high / low fenders (mud guards in these parts) are mounted to same outer tube... Having it lower is possibly advantages? I don't mean to argue such a small point though!


I like the green '74. Mine is green TC100 :). Silver is pretty decent too.


Buggered fender mounting points could be fixed by using large washers. Not as good as welding though. A reinforcing plate could be tacked on underneath ?
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